God is love. Christians love to say that. God is love. Like so many things in Christianity the phrase is uttered along with a disturbing lack of understanding on the part of the utterer (how awesome is that word?).
I’ve been thinking about this subject for the longest time, usually in the context of the massive amount of contradictions in the Bible. The Bible is brim full of contradictions, so disturbingly many you have to wonder how it’s possible for such a large bunch of people to display the cognitive dissonance required to be Christian in the first place.
I recently read a post by Greta Christina discussing a post by William Lane Craig where he essentially defends the horrors of the Old Testament. Greta takes a dim view on the things said by Craig, and rightly so. If I had been afforded the opportunity I would have re-posted her entire post here. It’s brilliant and I’m not sure I can do it justice by discussing it here but I’ll make an attempt anyway. Read Greta’s full post here: http://bit.ly/emnPcU (shortened URL because the actual URL is long…)
The basic premise of what Craig wrote is that the atrocities committed in the Bible (genocide, infanticide, slavery, rape) was OK because God commanded it and whatever God commands is good and anyway, the Canaanites were fine to be murdered because they had gone against this God. For like, a long time!
To quote Greta’s paraphrasing:
When guilty people got killed, they deserved it because they were guilty and bad… and when innocent people got killed, even when innocent babies were killed, they went to Heaven, and it was all hunky dory in the end.
This is some of what Craig had to say:
So whom does God wrong in commanding the destruction of the Canaanites? Not the Canaanite adults, for they were corrupt and deserving of judgement. Not the children, for they inherit eternal life. So who is wronged?
Greta goes on to say that Craig isn’t some extremist or “drooling wingnut” but is rather a well-educated, widely published author. Mostly normal then. I agree with that, Craig seems pretty normal (comparatively) and I think he is representative of average Christianity.
The problem with what Craig is saying is that as long as God commands you to kill somebody, it’s entirely OK. Babies, children, women, men, anything, as long as God tells you it’s OK, then it’s OK. Many people, most Christians I would imagine, share his views on this.
In her post, Greta makes two very good points. The first is that the rest of us, the ones not dragged down by the millstone that is the horrors of the Bible can look back at history and rightly say that those things were terrible, we’re not proud of our history but it’s behind us, we accept it was disgusting behaviour and that we’ll go out of our way to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
The second point she makes is that the religionuts can’t do that, don’t have that option since their holy book defends and praises these actions. They can’t look back and say it was terrible because in doing so, they have to agree that their deity is an evil bastard. Instead:
They have to either a) cherry-pick the bits they like and ignore the bits they don’t; or b) come up with contorted rationalizations for why the most blatant, grotesque, black-and-white evil really isn’t all that bad.
Option A leaves you where most Christians are today, ignoring the horrors in the scripture and believing some made up bullshit fairy tale that ISN’T reflected in their perfect unchanging operating manual, otherwise known as The Holy Bible. Option B is where Craig is, defending the indefensible atrocities ordered by his deity.
Craig spends some time trying to defend this indefensible position, sprouting idiocies like:
By setting such strong, harsh dichotomies God taught Israel that any assimilation to pagan idolatry is intolerable. It was His way of preserving Israel’s spiritual health and posterity. God knew that if these Canaanite children were allowed to live, they would spell the undoing of Israel.
Again, the almighty creator of the universe seems more than just a little impotent, unable to fix the situation without commanding the murder of little babies and the rape of virgin woman. I’ve made this point many times before: a being able to conceive of the entire universe, create it and run it somehow can’t fix a couple of insolent people without having to pack every species of animal in a boat and flood the entire planet? The only conceivable way he can correct the evil behaviour of middle eastern city states is to command his ‘chosen people’ to engage in campaigns of genocide that involves bashing little baby heads against rocks. Seriously? And Christians believe this crap?
So here’s the brass tacks: The Christian God thinks genocide is a great way to accomplish things. He feels that bashing babies heads open is an awesome thing to do for them. He feels slavery is an awesome thing to do to heathens (or your own people, less harshly though).
And if you’re a Christian, you have to either agree and defend that or ignore it altogether. If you do either: fuck you. Fuck, you.
Do Christians understand what it is that they are defending? Do they GET the horror of what they worship? Can you conceive of just how fucking awful the things are we are talking about here.
Let’s explore some of that. Christians should study what comes next, their God fucking LOVES this shit. Hundreds of pages in The Holy Bible go on and on about it. Obviously I can’t possibly convey the abject horror and terror and… there aren’t words to describe what it is adequately.

Not strictly part of genocide but good God DID say to murder some babies. Here's one. Clearly fucking dead. Probably not Christian. Definitely not a Jew. God must be so fucking happy.

Some Armenian genocide victims! I guess those non-Yahweh lovers had it coming right? Of course they did. Praise god for this particular awesome.

Divine Yahweh approved justice. Awesome. Three in one justice it seems like. They must not have been virgins. God prefers you keep those for yourself.
I’ll leave out the references to the horror in the Bible so there’s an opening for some pious dick head to say something so I can get another post out of it.
God is love. Tell me another one asshole.




If you knew Him you would have a different view. Your eyes are blind and your eats are deaf. Surely if you seek Him with your whole heart, He will hear you and you will find Him. But a heart of pride and stubborness will cut you off from the Almighty God. “The fool has said in his heart; there is no God.”-Psalm 14:1 My prayer for you is that you find the Light that you are missing in your life. In love and peace- <3
It’s hard to describe how much I pity you. That you could post that comment in light of this post is on the pathetic side of disturbingly ignorant.
I used to get angry with people like you; rampant idiocy offends me something terrible but now I just have pity.
You have technology available to you that can help you understand the entire universe and everything in it but instead you prefer to self-righteously utter empty phrases that mean nothing – that are nothing but sophistry – about a book so full of horror and horse shit I can actually smell it and then you insist that your limited self contradictory fantasy is somehow actually worth something.
You posting this comment on my blog, on this post is akin to a 4 year old telling an adult he’s not going to get presents from Santa. Your sadly veiled insult wrapped in self aggrandising ‘love’ is pathetic.
Stop being pathetic, you’re the product of 4 billion years of evolution. Start acting like it.
Hi, Onefuriousllama… I certainly don’t want to wast any time here… The images are really impressive… I can see where you come from… But… Hey, what God has to do with all this rubbish? People decide every day and hour what they want to do with their lives… like you: You have decided to divorce from him (Jesus) who is the only way for the happiness and peace you are so miserably lacking… Has He at any moment come down from heaven and stopped you from doing so? So, in the same way millions are doing, following their own ways, philosophies, wickedness, self destruction, unfairness, violence, etc…
What you are pitifully blind to is that you are attaching the wrong guy: You are forgetting that in the same way that millions adore, worship and love Jesus, other millions or billions go just the opposite direction, and believe man, YOU yourself ARE IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER of the road, and guess what: there is not a third shortcut. Christ and Satan are more real than you can think – certainly a lot more than your pictures… I feel deeply sorry about them but Jesus’ government is based on Choice – free choice. Just keep in mind that the choices YOU are making NOW is SHAPING your children’s tomorrow. Are you also going to blame Christ for growing depressive, frustrated and unhappy children? I’m sorry but this will be the end if you don’t give it a chance and look to Him who is the only one that can change the reality of those horrible images… It is about brain-changing, man… staying there cursing people does not change the colors of the pics!! But being empowered with a “Yes, I’ll do something to alleviate their suffering” yes it does. Have you tried this? Goodness fights evil. evil never neutralizes evil but just adds up. I would hate being here wasting time. I hope you’re getting something in…
Unfortunately innocent children and old ones are paying for their parents’ and parents of their parents’ unbelief and rebellion against God. Their departure from the love of Christ is what have produced your images… What I don’t understand is why you want to blame God for this. I’m not telling you off. I’m just inviting you to look outside the box. There is someone PRODUCING your pictures in a daily basis and, if allowed, will finish off drawing your future… are you going to stay there blaming others for not doing something that is in your hands to do? CHOOSE what is right – fight on the profitable side of the battlefield. Be yourself to stop Him (Satan) – Otherwise, just keep busy with your… … pixels… But you are warned, you won’t get anywhere and tomorrow you will have more pictures to share…
All the best, honestly.
Hello.
I take it you’ve brought some empirical evidence for your position then right? Right. You haven’t. And why not? Don’t you understand that trying to argue a position with no evidence is… a waste of time?
Numbers 31:17-18 for example. Let me help you since you probably don’t read your own Bible:
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
That’s what. Those pictures, your god commanded that to be done. THAT is what my problem is.
There is no Jesus, there never was a Jesus. You have empirical evidence that says otherwise? No, you don’t. How do I know? I’ve spend a godawful amount of time looking for it. And there isn’t any.
So many things wrong with that statement. I find it hard ot believe anybody could be this stupid but hey, here you are.
No, he hasn’t since he doesn’t exist. Fuckwits like you on the other hand, who believe in talking snakes and donkeys and magic sky daddies have. That’s my problem.
Cool story bro.
No they’re not and you have no evidence. Children starve to death every day, I have evidence. You’re stupid and delusional.
The threat of torture is a free choice? Fuck you.
Yea, I am raising them to be good, reasonable, rational people. Pretty much exactly not like you.
Oh, you’re a magician or a mind reader or something that you can tell how my children are? I might point out, in your own rule book:
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
There shall not be found among you any … that useth divination, or an observer of times…. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD.
How about:
Isaiah 47:13-14
Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Oh, you’re NOT a mind reader or a magician. I guess then you’re making shit up which I think might be lying. Wait, I have another quote for you:
Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Fucked. You are by your own rules. You actual idiot.
I do things about those pictures. People like you do not. And not only does your fairy godfather not exist, you pat yourself on the back after saying a pointless magic spell as if you HAVE done something. You people disgust me.
Talk about a sick philosophy. You disgusting fuck.
Children starving? Children murdered and tortured? Christian children? My my, you are fucking delusional.
I’m not trying to blame your god. I know that your god doesn’t exist. What I am pointing out is how fucking repulsive YOU are. You claim your god is almighty and can do something about that horror and yet he doesn’t. He commanded that horrors exactly like that be committed. And you are ok with that. You disgust me. You are a repulsive human being and it horrifies me that you accept and approve of this.
Right.
Your argument is pointless and repulsive.
Why don’t you give me some evidence for your position instead. You know, prove you’re right. Don’t you think that would be more effective?
Go fuck yourself, sincerely.
Hi, again,
Hey man, I can give you evidence of my position, as you suggested. The thing is that you don’t want it. You have already build your entire existence around a pile of garbage that seems to bring you reward and some satisfaction. I think you need some strong food, so let me put you across some real stuff: Be tough as you demonstrated above and have at least the dignity of reading every single line… You didn’t sound coward after all. Hey, but next time save the sewage vocabulary for somebody else, agreed? not very used to this level of… what’s the word… never mind. Let’s go to what matters…
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Removed a massive cut and paste from The Great Controversy
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LOL, a cut and paste from ‘The Great Controversy’ isn’t evidence twat, it’s opinion, conjecture. It’s very interesting to see you’re a real live Seventh-day Adventist though. I don’t think I’ve had the brain farts of one of you smeared over my blog before.
Start here, educate yourself a little, you need it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_method
Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it true. Especially not your deplorable superstition.
All right. I’m done with you. You are a big coward that refuses to face the truth. Why don’t you leave the chapter here to see what others say? Do you fear that the truth triumphs, as always? And I can’t believe, are you Ex-Seventh Day Adventist? What a snare!
Hey I’ve got some other hot material on SCIENTISTS joking about EVOLUTION… Want to check it out? Let me know.
There is something else about the AMERICAN ALTERATION of the CONSTITUTION! Hot hein? Are you aware of it? Do you know what this is about? Real stuff mate. Can throw all right here, if you have the courage to face the truth…. I think it’s time… don’t you?
I’m not going to force you to get out of your match box though…
Why don’t I leave your enormous paste of sophistry, delusion, fiction and pig excrement here? Because it’s too fucking long. Paste a link here to it if you must – there is no danger that it will convince any thinking person. Or vegetable for that matter.
I literally cannot wait to see this ‘hot material on scientists joking about evolution’, it sounds like super convincing. Yo. And the ‘real stuff’, mate, sounds, like, gripping.
But thanks for coming; your superstition and infantile belief in it has entertained me to no end today.
I must be a very illuminated soul to be still here. Man I’m starting enjoying it. Believe me I don’t waste time with atheists blogs and whatever… strange…
Lucky me, somebody got the documentary I want to show you thrown on youtube so i don’t have to waste anymore time downloading it for you. Consider it a treat hein? But, hey, come on, leave my link here, will you? Don’t be such an infant to delete it…
For those who don’t know it is a quite warm talking between SCIENTISTS – not a bunch of ignorant frustrated people that don’t know what they are talking about – They go deep into topics that call up for answers that science just doesn’t have.
Some of the Topics: COSMIC EVOLUTION, EVOLUTIONARY “MISSING” LINKS, ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE, CHEMICAL EVOLUTION and PRIMORDIAL EARTH, PROTEIN PRODUCTION, and many more…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bls2D0jMK84
I’m not gonna give it all here. First because you’re clogged with lethargic garbage anyway, second I just think it is too much information to someone who doesn’t have an open minded and insists in seeing things just superficially…
If you get tired of it, look in your stuff for some information about the life of Diocletion, emperor of Pagan Rome, Voltare 1750, Thomas Paine 1795, Adolph Hither 1935… check how these powerful and influential people fought hard to destroy religion, the God of the Bible and the Bible itself… ALL EFFORTS JUST IN VAIN. The world has forgotten them and their silly philosophies. The Bible continues victorious. Some statistics for you:
The Bible is the most durable Book on the planet. It outlives its most implacable foes. Diocletion is dead. Voltare and Paine are forgotten. Hitler and others have follow them into oblivion. The Bible, well, this book has an uncanny habit of turning up at its own funeral…! In our century, in spite of all the past and present hammer-blows of hate it has broken all records in book production – Don’t you think it is TOO POWERFUL AND PROSPEROUS to be coincidence? What about other “Holy” books that cannot even be compared to the Bible? People don’t even know what is written in them… But the Bible is miraculously very well know even to atheists and other groups of the kind… Amazing… It is translated in nearly all languages in the planet including indigenous tribes..??? What? even aborigines are getting to now it now?
The world circulation of the Bible has now reached the staggering total of OVER 36.000.000 copies A YEAR – That’s a Bible every second! If you consider portions of the Bible or selections it adds up to 500.000.000 items per Year! Are you still motivated to fight against it? Think you can? Who do you think is consuming this massive production?
Seriously, I just don’t want you to waste a lifetime against something invincible. Or do you judge yourself intellectually more capable than Voltare and Thomas Paine? They fail shamefully… So will you… sorry.
Do you know what is the secret of the immortality of the Bible and Its God? There is only a rational answer: The Bible has survived the storms of the ages BECAUSE THE INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE OF GOD IS IN IT. Just as it claims!
Have a good day.
Hi Llama,
Can you take this:
http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/PST196_StephenMeyer_061810_WS&WT.mc_id=EmbedPlayer
WARNING: It literally throws Evolution and the entire Darwinism on the dirt – where they belong. If you think you can’t face it, just don’t. You might be converted!
What about this humble pamphlet:
Today, we know what Darwin could not know—that the cells
of all living things contain an unimaginable amount of information, which they also happen to store in the most compact form so far known to us. The development of all organs is information-directed, and all processes and functions in living things are information-controlled, including the manufacture of all the substances that make up our body (for example, more than 50,000 different proteins). The whole concept of evolution would only be feasible if there were some property
in matter that permitted information to arise through chance processes. This is absolutelyessential, because all the body plans of individuals, and all the complex processes in cells, are information-based.
http://creation.com/images/pdfs/flyers/what-darwin-couldnt-know-s.pdf
Are you going to say that “Real Science” is fairy tale? Sorry for sounding a bit so arrogant. But I don’t think you understand any other type of language… and there’s no way that I’m going to use the “sewage” one with you…
Really hope I’m exchanging view-points with a rational adult and not a lolly pop licking child that can’t think of any other thing…
See Ya.